Tuesday, August 09, 2005

emerging sideways...: a mirror to our souls

For a nitty gritty reminder: emerging sideways...: a mirror to our souls.

A very transparent post, I'm not sure "enjoy" is the appropriate thing to say... this makes me uncomfortable because it reminds me of me.

But at the same time I'm sayin' "Bring it, Bobbie!"


  • thank you for the kind, kind words and encouragement!

    By Blogger bobbie, at 8/10/2005 4:32 PM  

  • I read the entry and posted the following. This situation really makes you think. In my own life, I think of this in terms of my grandfather. He hasn't said a word that he wants or needs anything. But a few years ago my husband knocked me over the head with something so obvious that I couldn't see and I wasn't paying attention... grandpa is lonely. He doesn't want food or gifts he wants someone to visit, call on the phone, drop a line, to be thought of. He lives far away but we have made it a point to visit more often, call, etc.

    Anywho... here is what I posted in response...

    I often see it from the other side. People asking for money for a cup of coffee, etc. But in reality, if you were to take them to the McDs and buy the coffee for them they wouldn't want it. I think many people have grown "used" to the idea that many people asking for money/help don't really want or need it for the reason they say. We grow angry, turn a blind eye and say no and go about our day.

    Maybe it's the people who make due, do with what they have, and not say a word.... those are the people we should be listening to.

    By Blogger JustMe, at 8/11/2005 11:08 AM  

  • And I think opposite of just me. Have I seen that over and over again? Yep. But I beleive that we are to do what we know to do and God will work out the rest. It does not matter what that end does with what matters what WE do when we are called to do it.

    By Blogger Princess of Everything (and then some), at 8/11/2005 12:21 PM  

  • What exactly is wrong with getting freaked out by the stank of some ole gross geezer?...especially if he is going to hang around your kids. Why is that such a sin? I don't get it.

    We were, hopefully, raised with a sense of the importance of cleaniness. This guy has a place to live and I am sure it has a tub or a shower. But if he doesn't think it matters, should we not think it matters?

    One major difference that I see between Bobby and her "hero," is that the "hero" who helped the old man with his air conditioner did not have her kids with her...Bobby did though at the time they met. At home, I am sure that Bobby makes sure that her kids know how to clean themselves...they have a daily checklist before they go to school, and with these standards in hand, not a day goes by that her kids go without brushing their teeth. I am sure they pride themselves on their appearance. It is a matter of forming habits that are essential for good, productive, healthy living. Bobby doesn't allow laziness in her household to be an excuse: everyone has to wash their hands for dinner and comb their hair before going out in public. Clean the dishes, clean the toilets, clean their rooms, etc.

    With her kids present, this man must have come as a shock to her...if she was by herself and this old man had said something to her, she may have reacted differently...but he basically came into her jurisdiction when speaking to her family...and he frankly violated the values that she as a parent has been propagating, with very good reason.

    To say that the piss and dirt and sweat and whatever else tweaked her nostrils...that he choose to come into the public streets wearing...were emblematic of her own fallen human nature is, quite frankly, an inappropriate analogy. Who knows exactly what bacteria and disease this empirical emblem of the given state of our spirituality is harboring? Smells like death, indeed...then keep my kids, who just washed behind their ears, at a distance!

    Eph chap 3 is an excellent exposition on the state of our human nature. Yes, our human nature is not good enough. And even taking a bath won't get us to heaven. But that is why we live according to his promises, and not according to the law that doesn't clean us, but makes us smell so rotten. And that why we are baptised...and that is why we are CLEANSED by his blood. "Cleaniness is next to godliness." And if God wants us clean in heaven, I am sure God would like us all to wash our earthen vessels when we have the opportunity. Love is tough, and does not tolerate laziness.

    You want to help him out, buy him a toothbrush, network a deal with the local dentist that worships at your church (rottening teeth and gums lead to heart disease) on moral grounds, take him to the Goodwill, hand him a bar of soap...then, after all that, let your kids pet his kittens.

    Oh, sorry if this is not a popular view.

    By Blogger Steve, at 8/14/2005 1:20 AM  

  • Thank you for the tip on her post. It does touch a little of all of our darker sides. As you are aware my computer suffers from gastric attacks....and when I read the comments here, I had one of my knee jerk reactions to the above comment by Steve. Then my computer passed gas, which gave me a few minutes to temper my knee jerk reaction to Steve's post. Blessedly and to our benefit I don't think his view is the popular one. (Why is the top of my head still hot)?? But as long as he's quoting Jesus (actually Paul) but let's quote Jesus," that we should all become like children" don't care if people smell, have pee on their pants, the judgements our often times narrow little pointy adult heads make.....I thought Bobbie wrote a great post and an uncomfortable as it is to read, it is a mirror. And how very brave and honest of her to write it. Enough said.....

    By Blogger Adinah, at 8/15/2005 12:35 AM  

  • Thank you for not making a knee jerk reaction. Sorry your computer combusts so often, Ayekah.

    I feel sorry for the people that can't take care of themselves, but not for those who can, but choose not to.

    When I was a young man, I delivered pizzas. Some houses though, I did not want to walk in. One place had four dogs in the house, and it turds were even sitting on the carpets that were drying. And here I was: a stranger walking into their house! They showed absolutely no shame at all. Heck, someone that comes into my house to work on the furnace or to check the water meter, I usually do some spot cleaning. I thought, "What in the hell has happened to these people's minds?" Incredulously, on their front door, they had a small sign posted that read something like, "this house is for the security and comfort of our dogs" other words, the dogs felt comfortable shitting anywhere they wanted to in the house. These people, I would suspect, would not be shocked to see a man like the one Bobby described...but I would expect that someone like Bobby would be surprised. This is not a "bad" thing, folks! So why become overly dismayed by the fact that you were shocked and revolted at sight of this person and even the smell "of death"?? That self-judgement or self-condemnation is being a little too self-critical, in my opinion. Humility is realistic about one's weakness and strengths.

    Obviously, I don't know this man. I have never sat down with him. I have never looked into his eyes. But if I really cared about him, or if he were my father, my uncle, whatever, I wouldn't allow him to live in filth. I would do what I could for him...but only to a point. Because, by his age, and the standards set by his era, you have got to think that he must understand that he is accountable for his own actions and appearance. And he should know about hygiene...that is not very much to expect.

    I didn't write this to raise people's ire or blood pressure, but I knew it wasn't going to be popular...because we all want to be the 'hero'.

    By Blogger Steve, at 8/15/2005 10:04 AM  

  • Hi Steve, point made, point taken. I happen to agree on the clean thing, and no there is no excuse for living like poor white trash...I get all that...I just didn't feel this fellows hygiene was the thrust behind her post. It went far beyond that. But that is what you seemed to pick up on. So perhaps we should just leave it at that.

    By Blogger Adinah, at 8/15/2005 4:05 PM  

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